Toyo tires are not flimsy. Many amateur race track drivers run them on their modified/performance cars. It's a premium performance brand, actually. I ran over a dozen sets to Toyo tires on my BMW and Audi cars for many years when I was doing track days.
I would look at the cooper zeon crossrange (made in USA), similar price but from a much more reputable brand.
I went from a Toyo Celsius in the stock 225/60/R17 to these bad boys in 225/65/R17. Gained an inch of tire and they really fill the wheel wells now. No rubbing and a very smooth and quiet ride
These tires are the most grippy tires I've ever had, including the most traction on wet roads I've ever had. I rotated them regularly. Anyways, Cooper Zeon RS3 - fantabulous performance in dry and wet, at the expense of relatively short lifespan.
I just put them on in January and so far I like them a lot. We got less snow than normal, but they were very good in what snow we got. At first they were noisy on my Tacoma Pickup, I have E rated tires, but after a couple thousand miles they got quiet.
I now have the AT3s and love them. They’re quiet and handle great on and off the pavement. I’ve beat the snot out of every set of Toyos I’ve had and have only had one flat due to a pinch flat (sharp rock at 30mph). Southern California deserts are pretty unforgiving.
Best tires I've ever owned. I have at3s on my 80 series and my tundra. Tundra is on the second set. The first set lasted a very long time. Perform good aired down and are the best tires I've ever had in snow and sand. Noise is very mellow on highway. I have no complaints
The OEM Toyo A36 tires on my car started cracking badly at just 39,600 miles. After driving just 12 miles on the new Pirellis, here’s my honest take:
They are NOT any quieter than the Toyos.
I’m hearing pretty much the same road noise I had with the OEMs.
I had these tires for about 8-10k miles then took them off. They did ok for turns and handling but I did not have good overall experience
I have the crappy toyo tires and am actually shopping around for better tires.
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